Jessica Osborn:
Have you ever experienced what we call writer's block, where you've sat down to create something and no matter how hard you try, the words are just not coming, and it is so much harder and takes you so much longer than you know that it should. Well, in today's episode, we're talking about how you can shift that block, how you can unlock your creativity and literally be able to create content, create on demand whenever you want to. So stay tuned. You're going to absolutely love the conversation we have today. So how do you get past your writer's block and be able to create content on demand and really great content as well that very aligned with your purpose, with your highest energy, so that people just cannot wait to get more of it? While joining me today to share about how you can unlock your creativity and really leverage that side of you is the beautiful Nina Worsley. She is a jazz singer, a classical composer. She went to college to learn how to be a composer. So she knows more than anyone what it's like to be told that you've got to literally create and compose on demand, and that is creating at the highest level.
Jessica Osborn:
So she has so much experience and expertise in helping explain the whole creative process, what those blocks are, how we can shift past them, and some really simple, easy tips that you can use today so that you can find that a whole lot easier. Nina today is a creative coach, so she now works with entrepreneurs, women, helping them to unleash that creative potential, clear away their creative blocks so that you can find the whole process much easier. You're going to love this conversation. Make sure you listen to the end, because I do. Ask her all about what happens if you're someone that doesn't believe you're creative, if you have grown up in a world that's, you know, not full of music or art, and maybe you just don't see yourself as a creative person. You think that you're a lost cause. Well, if that's you, we do talk all about that right towards the end of the conversation, so make sure that you stay tuned and listen in for that one. Without further ado, let me play this interview for you with the lovely Nina Worsley, who's all the way over in Pennsylvania.
Jessica Osborn:
Hi, Nina. So great to have you here on the podcast today.
Nina Worsley:
Hi, it's great to be here.
Jessica Osborn:
Yeah, I'm so excited to chat with you because I don't think I've ever had a composer come on the podcast before. So I'm so curious to hear a bit about your story and how you've transition from the world of performing into the entrepreneurship world. So would you like to tell us a little bit about what you do now, like who you serve your business, cavernous creative coaching, which sounds really exciting. And then I'd love to hear a bit about what you did before and how you've made this change.
Nina Worsley:
Yeah. So do you want me to go into my backstory first or do you want me to.
Jessica Osborn:
Or maybe share a bit about. Yeah, just share a bit about what you do now and then. Yeah. Then tell us how you got into it.
Nina Worsley:
Yeah. So I'm a creativity coach. I help creatives, primarily women, to identify their creative blocks and to work through them actively and to unlock just consistency and creativity in whatever they're doing. Whether you're a writer, songwriter, graphic designer, painter, whatever it is, all of our creativity stems from the same place. And I help you to access it and to take control of it.
Jessica Osborn:
Amazing. Right? And so how did you make this change? Like, you've had a career that is really successful as a composer and a performer. What prompted you to make this shift into coaching others and helping others to bring out their creativity?
Nina Worsley:
Yeah, well, I think that it's just something that I feel so alive in the world of, like, creativity and coaching and composing and my, like, background. I had this whole long journey of learning how to sort of take control of that aspect of my life, and when I learned it, it changed so much and I realized how important it is and it just sort of solidified that I really, really want to help people to learn how to do the same thing. Because again, it changed me so much.
Jessica Osborn:
Yeah. So tell us a bit about what that looks like. Because for those of us who haven't been this change or journey or understanding and unlocking that creativity, what does it feel like when you don't have it unlocked? Like, where would your clients or where would most of us probably, I imagine, where would we be? What does it look like when you're not fully connected into your creativity?
Nina Worsley:
Yeah, it just feels like you're not fully who you are, if that makes sense. I grew up writing songs and I would go. Sometimes I would go write a song a day, but there'd be some times when I'd go six months when I feel like I don't have anything to say. But it wasn't that I didn't have anything to say. It was that I didn't know how to express the thing that I wanted to say. And I think that when you have a creative block, the reason why it affects so much is because your creativity is connected to who you are in such an intrinsic way that it affects the way you communicate with people. It affects the way that you solve problems in your life. And having a creative block just sort of feels like you know what the other side looks like, but you don't know how to get there.
Jessica Osborn:
Okay. And so what might someone be experiencing on a daily basis apart from just sort of feeling like it's hard. It's hard to communicate? What are they? What other signs or symptoms might you see where you're like, okay, there's clearly a creative block happening here.
Nina Worsley:
There is the obvious of, like, not being able to finish things and things like that. But then it's also when you. When you have that sort of block, it manifests in the way that you view yourself because you're. You start to doubt yourself when you don't feel like you have fully full control over who you are, and you start to doubt your confidence and things like that. And confidence is. Our confidence level, is what affects every single thing that we do. If you're. You see a confident person, every action that they take is that of a confident person.
Nina Worsley:
You see a deeply insecure person, every action that they take is that of a deeply insecure person. You can see it, you can feel it. So it looks like you're it. You can feel it. And the world will reflect that. Your world will reflect that if you're not fully in control of your creative energy.
Jessica Osborn:
Yeah. So things like where you think, wow, I'm trying to go forward, but it feels like I've got one foot on the brake and I'm maybe playing small. And you kind of know that you are, but yet you don't really know how to not be doing it or how to change. Yeah. Because I think you're so right. I can really see there's such a difference between somebody who has that confidence. They're just. They're taking intentional action.
Jessica Osborn:
They are fully in line with what they're doing, and they are happy with what they're doing. Whether or not it's going to work or not, it doesn't really matter. Right. They're just like, this is what I'm doing and I'm doing it. Whereas when you have all of that doubt, the fear, you know, you're questioning yourself constantly, like, should I be doing this? I don't know. Like, you put one foot in, you take it out again, you. You overthink. You wonder about all things that are going on.
Jessica Osborn:
And yeah, they are very Different. When you look at that next to each other, there's a huge difference. And so it's really interesting that you're bringing this back to this creativity aspect, because I think so many people talk about confidence and imposter syndrome, and there's a lot of things that create confidence. But it's interesting that you're bringing it back to this creativity. So I'm curious to hear a bit more of your story, like, what happened for you when you finally unlocked this creativity and you realized this is the thing that has been holding me back, or this is the difference. And then tell us a bit about what it looks like now that you've unlocked it. What is that other world for you?
Nina Worsley:
I grew up in a very, like, musical childhood. I had a big church that did, like, praise and worship and had a huge choir and everything. So I was just immersed in music from, like, the moment I was born, essentially. And I knew. I knew music as the way that people express themselves. And so as I was growing up in that environment, I learned to express myself through that. But I was also going through a lot. Especially when I hit my preteens, early teens, I was going through a lot, and I just had.
Nina Worsley:
I always had the natural inclination to express it through music. But like I said, there would be points where I wouldn't be able to express something for a really long time. There was in particular, and I didn't realize it until later on, so I'll get to that in a second. But there was something that I really wanted to write a song about, and it took me four years to be able to put it down in the way that I. That I felt like was me. And at the time, I didn't realize why it took so long, but I was just happy that I got it out. But then I started going to college as a composition major. And for those who don't know about or have never met a composer, I've never met someone who's been in college for that.
Nina Worsley:
You have to create constantly on demand. You don't have the choice, as of as to whether you're inspired or not, because you're getting graded on it now, and you have to create. I had to create new things every single week. And I was graded at the end of the semester on how well I did that. So I started having to find real ways to literally create on demand, to, like, make really beautiful things, but also really fast. So that was where I sort of started to kind of peel back the layers and, like, sort of really break down what it is that that connects me to my creative energy because that's when I needed it the most. And then I realized that when you're creating things that are like, creation is like an extension of you. It's like what you're putting out into the world.
Nina Worsley:
And a little piece of you is in everything that you create. And so I realized that I had to process certain things in order to break through certain barriers. So going back to that song that I was writing, I realized that when I would write really, like, beautiful songs about things that were painful to me, it was always the things that I'd already processed. And this one song that took me so long was because I was subconsciously hiding myself from it. And I didn't realize it at that time. So when I really started to create at high volumes, it sort of just like I had to take responsibility for my healing, essentially. And the other thing is that my relationship with God played a huge role because the closer I got to God, the more I realized that we are literally a reflection of our Creator. We are the created, but he made us as creative beings.
Nina Worsley:
So the more I acknowledge that and let him in, the more he would also help me and support me. And I felt like I wasn't in conflict with my purpose, I was in alignment with it. And once that happened, every single thing got so much easier. Yeah.
Jessica Osborn:
Wow. So how do you kind of, you know, you mentioned you're connecting to that creative energy, and part of that was about being able to take responsibility for something or having or process something that had happened, you know, And I think that this connection to your creative energy and being able to produce stuff on demand is, like you said, that was for you as a composer. But for people who are in a content creation type of business, that's, you know, as well what you need to do every day. And we not necessarily have been. Have had any training as any sort of performer or creator, you know, just a person who's wanting to help people. And suddenly now you've got to, you know, I guess, perform every day. Maybe it's every day or whenever you're like, right, well, I need to do the content creation. Some people say they put a day in the calendar.
Jessica Osborn:
It's like, well, how are you going to be able to perform on that day in order to be creative enough to get that content happening? So whether you're doing it daily, whether you're doing it once a week, once a month, it doesn't matter. There's sort of like this need. Your business needs you to be able to do that in the same way that you had that challenge at university to just compose on demand. So I think that this is the real key and what's so important is how do you sit down? You might not be feeling it today, but you're saying there is a way that you can sort of connect to your creative energy and get into alignment so that you can allow things to flow. Because if it doesn't flow, it's going to be really hard to produce something. It's going to take a long time and not be feeling great. Is there anything that you could share that would help? Like, I'm thinking there's a couple of ways I want to take this. One of them is you mentioned you found it easier when it was something you'd already processed.
Jessica Osborn:
So is there some tips around when you're looking at, like, I need to create some content. Okay, well, maybe I'm going to look at topics that would be really easy to produce content on. Or is there some steps that someone can take in order to really quickly shift from being in the place of having not processed it to having processed it so that they can create content on it? I'd let you take that very long question and decide which way you want it to go first.
Nina Worsley:
Yeah. So in the realm of making sure that you are essentially making sure you're available on the day, because that's kind of what you're asking is like, how, how, like how do you become predictable in a sense where, like, you know that when you sit down that things are going to happen.
Jessica Osborn:
Yes.
Nina Worsley:
My biggest, like, overarching advice is just generally to have your. To. To do like an audit of your values and your priorities and sort of make sure that you're really clear on your vision for your life and for your. What you're creating. If you're a business owner, have a really clear idea of your business. If you're a songwriter, have a really clear idea of who you are and what you're trying to convey. Because a lot of what gets muddy is when people start to think, think about things too externally. Like when you're a content creator, you're thinking about, oh, how people are can perceive this and what's going to get the most views and everything.
Nina Worsley:
But if you don't start from who you are, then you're not going to reach you or them. Because. Yeah, because it starts with you. So the first step, I think would be to audit your values and make sure that everything you're doing is in alignment with that. Because otherwise there's always going to be some sort of like friction and it's for, I'll say this example, I thought, I just thought of it as really funny for people who are singers. When you learn how to breathe properly and when you learn, you know, if you're singing and your volume's not coming out properly or you're singing through your nose or whatever like that, you learn that there's essentially you have to create a straight line from your diaphragm, from your stomach, all the way up through your mouth. And when you're nasally or when your volume isn't correct, it's because your breath is going from your, from your diaphragm and it's making stops along the way. So like, or you're breathing from your chest or something like that.
Nina Worsley:
So yeah, so I think about it in that way where you have to be intentional about creating a straight line from who you are to the thing you create. And how people perceive that is another thing entirely. But it has to start from you.
Jessica Osborn:
Yeah, that's such good advice because I think when you're trying to think of what will people like the most or how will they perceive it, you're in your head and you're never going to know until you put it out there anyway. So like you say, it's really not going to be your high value content. It's not going to be the thing that connects them in because you're doing it based on the external instead of sharing something that's come from within you, which is always going to be so much more powerful. Because when you share something that is so aligned with yourself and what you're trying to be, then I think that's where you have that highest ability to connect. Because you just, it's hard to say, isn't it? I think unless you've experienced it. But the energy is always so much higher. You know, people can really feel it and hear it when it is aligned to you. So that's a really, really great tip for somebody to do.
Jessica Osborn:
And they, so they can kind of any day that you sit down, you're thinking, right, I've got to create some content today. Or you know, I've got to put something out there to take that moment to connect in again. Remind yourself of what it is that you're doing, your purpose, and have that connection to the people who you're speaking to, I think without worrying about what they're going to think about it.
Nina Worsley:
And I'd also say on that note of like when you're scheduling times when you need to do content or scheduling times where you need to create. You also should make an effort, effort to schedule time to do these. Thanks to craft your vision and to audit yourself. Because if you, you know, just sit down one day or, you know, you're scheduling time in advance, but you just sit down and you're just like, I have to create things and you haven't done that, that work, then it's like I said, it's not going to be connected. So doing the work in advance so that you know when you sit down that you're in alignment is just as important.
Jessica Osborn:
Yeah. Do you have any tips about what you would do? Because that just prompted that thought of like, oh, my goodness, you know, you might be, I don't know, you might have been busy doing something. You're in your emails, having a conversation with someone, maybe you've even been getting the kids off to school. So your brain's been doing all of these things. And then you're like, right now I'm going to sit down and create some content. And it's kind of really hard probably to just flick the switch and move from whatever mode you're in into the creative mode. So is there anything that you do or recommend that you do that is maybe like right before you actually try to pump something out, do this activity to help you just switch your brain into the right mode so that it's going to flow for you more easily. Do you have any really cool exercises or tips that you can share?
Nina Worsley:
Yeah. So I do think, you know, it is a struggle when you have a huge ginormous to do list and you're running from one thing to the next. And that, that is the issue is that you do need to take your time and that's what a lot of people don't have. I know there's a lot of times when I don't have it, but I will say that, like, taking the, like, I will, I guess to the point of how to get back in the correct mode. I would just say take a journal with you and just write a short paragraph detailing your intentions for what you're about to do. So that'll give you, your brain the cue of like, oh, we're, we're doing something else now and this is what we're doing. Because when you're in the chaos mode, you're like, oh, I have to do this, I have to do this. And you're moving with your body, you're moving with your hands, but when you're going and creating something, you're not just in autopilot anymore.
Nina Worsley:
So you have to remind your brain, here we are. This is what we're doing.
Jessica Osborn:
Yeah, I love that. And it's so simple, right? So it's not like, you know, because I think we always have that challenge of, oh, there's just not enough time, and I've got so many things I need to do, and I've got to sit down and get this done. And there's always this pressure that I think we just put on ourselves, like layer the pressure on, but just to take that moment and write the intention. What an amazing tip. Because it literally could take, you know, a minute at the most to do, but it's just going to help you switch off all the other things and to really center into what you're about to do, which is.
Nina Worsley:
Yeah.
Jessica Osborn:
So good. Like, you like cueing your brain. Okay, brain, here we are. This is what we're going to do now. That's really excellent. So is there anything else that you can think of? I guess you mentioned before about when you're creating something and it's something you've already processed. Did you want to share anything else about how you can sort of, I guess, select really good topics, what you advise people to do in that place? Because I think that we could all do with avoiding that sort of creation. That takes a lot of time and effort.
Jessica Osborn:
And, you know, that's a really perceptive insight that, hey, if you are trying to create something on a topic that maybe you haven't processed to the right level, then that's why it's feeling hard. That's why it's not coming out, because you haven't gone through that. I'd love to hear a bit more about what you mean by processing it. How do you know whether it's something you've processed or not? You know, I'm just trying to think of the questions that people might be asking when they think about that.
Nina Worsley:
Yeah, well, you know, that you process it. I think when you are on the other side, which is the hard part, but when you're in the before stage, I think that the biggest thing is when you're finding something that's taking a long time. It is. It's. It's hard because it's like you do have to sort of confront yourself a lot. And that's what creativity is. It's getting to the core of who you are. And so when something's stopping you from doing that, you.
Nina Worsley:
You have to pause and you have to address it and so if you're in a situation where you're in the middle of something and all of a sudden, oh, you can't do it anymore, run out of creativity, it's gone, don't know where it went. I would say that you should really reflect on the moment that that happened and what was happening at that time. What were you thinking about at that time and what was the topic? Because sometimes you don't realize that something isn't processed until you're already in the middle of, of trying to, trying to get through it. So, so think about what was that moment and be really, really honest with yourself. Which is the other hard part that people will always struggle with. It is, it is just a constant, constant circle of honesty and reflection. And I'm trying to give a good example, but I always go back to that example of the song that took me four years to write. But I will say that it really takes, I can't say any other word other than honesty of yourself and self awareness of what you're going through.
Nina Worsley:
And if you're in a situation where it's something that's not that serious, but it's something that you just don't want to confront, it takes a lot of responsibility to say, to say that this thing that I'm creating is bigger than my fear of confronting myself. And that's where a lot of people have the big issue, is that this thing where writer's block happens, where any sort of thing like creative block happens, you believe that the thing that you are trying not to confront is bigger than the project and you have to shrink that belief and realize that we're all human beings and we're all doing our best and you know, once you get to the other side, it's going to make sense.
Jessica Osborn:
Yeah. So would you say if you've experienced that block, you know, maybe you've started something or you sat down and you just can't get it out. That's the moment that you ask some questions. You know, okay, is there something that I'm avoiding? Is there something that I'm, you know, like some self reflection questions to see whether there is a subconscious avoidance happening there.
Nina Worsley:
Yeah. And it's not always something super serious. Sometimes it's simply you're worried about the way that people are going to perceive the thing you're creating. You're worried about again, it's the external things that are seeping into your internal process. So it could, it could be something that is from your past that you have to confront, or it could just Be that your confidence is weighing in this particular aspect of the process. Because again, we are just living life. We're. We're going through whatever we're going through.
Nina Worsley:
And yes, when we're just on autopilot for a long time or whatever it may be, we don't always notice that we're making decisions based on our lack of confidence or based on our self doubt or based on our fear of being judged. So I would say that you should also look at who you're thinking about when you're, when you're stopping. What's the picture that's creating the reason to stop?
Jessica Osborn:
Yes, yeah, definitely. And then once you've kind of identified that, do you have a way that somebody could sort of shift their perspective so that they can get rid of that? You know, I guess, you know, even though you might identify it, it's still going to be present. You might be like, well, I've identified that I'm worried that about what people are going to think or that they're going to see me. You know, maybe they won't think I was an expert in this area or maybe I'm not going to explain it right. Whatever that fear is that you've got, that's kind of stopping you saying the thing. Once you've identified it, what could you say? Or is there a question you can kind of present yourself that helps you to kind of shift back into that position of power and confidence?
Nina Worsley:
As far as a question. Well, I'll say this first. I think the two biggest things when you're trying to get back on track are talking to yourself. I'm a really big proponent of just saying the words and just getting out the correction if something happens in your mind. It's not always we don't control the thoughts that go into our mind, but we control the words that come out of our mouths. So I think that really going back and saying no, that's not true out loud to yourself as to it may sound is really important. And the other thing I think is really important is exposure therapy. The only way to, to.
Nina Worsley:
Because your, your brain and your subconscious are designed to protect you. And when they are keeping you from something, it's because they believe that that is going to protect you. Like I don't want, I don't want you to get hurt, which you know, you have to sort of baby yourself in a way of like, I understand that you're, that you're trying to help me, but this is okay. I'm not going to die. So if you're in situation where you're afraid of judgment, you're afraid of the way that you're being perceived, or you're afraid that people aren't going to believe in you, you just have to take a huge leap and prove yourself wrong. Because nine times out of ten, you are wrong. People either are ready to support you or they don't care as much as you think they are. They do.
Nina Worsley:
And in a writing example, if you're. You have writer's block and you're afraid of whatever it is, you know, self doubt, whatever it is, just creating, I'd say create a little bit of a detachment and write crazy things through that, that block and then go back and edit it later and just prove to yourself that you can get beyond it. And then you're like, oh, I'm on the other side, and now let's do more work. So just the exposure of going beyond the thing that you're afraid of in the most controlled way so you can prove to yourself that you're in control of it. But if you're gonna ask yourself a question in the moment, I would. I would say that the best thing to ask in order to get your brain back on track is what are you doing this for? And what do you believe is bigger than your purpose in this moment? So when I create music, I want to help people to feel something. I want to show people the truest version of myself, and by extension, I want to show them my love of God through music. And that is super important.
Nina Worsley:
So when I'm in a mode where I'm afraid of being perceived, I'm like, is this person who I'm afraid of bigger than my purpose? And the answer is always no.
Jessica Osborn:
That's so good. Yeah, like, when you put it into that perspective and then, you know, is this bigger? Is this more important? What? You know, somebody doesn't like it. Well, hey, you can't control what other people think or how they react. And there's probably always going to be somebody who doesn't align, but that doesn't matter, right? You're not doing it for them. There's all of the other people. So it's so good to do that. I love how you said, say it out loud to yourself, say, well, hang on, that's not true. Or like, that doesn't matter.
Jessica Osborn:
That one person that might criticize, you know, they don't matter in the whole scheme of things. It's not. That's so interesting because it's funny. I do something similar with my son when he's having, you know, a whole lot of fear. And I get him to say things out loud because I'm like, get it out of your brain. Like, let's talk about it. Let's say the positive thing that we want. And he always fights me on it.
Jessica Osborn:
But I found that saying things out loud actually does. Because your brain hears you say it, right? And like, you say, you are in control of the sounds that you're making. It's not. It's not running on autopilot, like, your subconscious, where the thoughts are just coming without you controlling them. So that's such a cool thing to think about.
Nina Worsley:
Yeah.
Jessica Osborn:
Say it out loud. Talk to yourself. And I think you mentioned something before, and it's just a thing that I usually try to do as well, because often when you're starting something, it's like, oh, I've got this mountain to climb, and this is feeling really hard and you're at the bottom. I love to kind of go, well, what if this was already done? What if I'd already done it and it's successful? What if I take myself to the end and feel what it looks like there and then look back and be like, okay, so now I'm just going to write it the way I want to, because it's already. It's already good, you know, it's already successful, it's already done. So it's easy now. And, you know, something like that, if you can train yourself to do it, can also definitely make things feel a lot easier.
Nina Worsley:
Yeah. And I think that when we're talking about people, we're talking about creative creativity and, like, people who are wanting to create new things. If you have the desire to do that in whatever avenue, then that desire is already proof that you're capable of creating something out of nothing, which we all are in a little. In. In our own little way, Even though, you know, it could be whatever it is. I think that acknowledging the fact that, again, we're creative, we were created as creative beings, and that is part of your destiny is. Is acknowledging that and honoring that, then it feels. It does feel almost powerful, like, yes, this is what I was created to do.
Jessica Osborn:
Yeah. Yeah. And there was something, actually, I wanted to ask because I think some people like yourself, you've grown up in this really creative environment, and so you naturally believe that you're creative. You naturally have this, you know, I am creative. It's not a hard thing for you to adopt or to tune into, but I think there are a lot of people who just don't believe they're creative. You know, my son would be one, my daughter, complete opposite. But if I'm looking at them, they're like chalk and cheese. If you asked him if he's creative, he'd be like, no.
Jessica Osborn:
He would be adamant that he's not. And I don't know where he gets that stimulus from. But there would be definitely a lot of adults as well. You know, you've grown up in an environment. Maybe you've seen other people who. Who are, you know, freely creative. And so you've just adopted this belief about yourself that you're not. And I think that you've mentioned something so important, like we're all creative beings.
Jessica Osborn:
And so, you know, what you've shared today, Nina, So many things about how you can help to create and to not be afraid of it. And the fact that just that you are a creative being, which may be something difficult to now to start to tell yourself, especially if you spent your whole life believing that you're not creative. I think that there's been so many, like this whole conversations, really, about how you can unlock that creativity within you, even if you don't think you're creative. Because when you're in business, you're literally creating something. Your business has not existed before you decided to create it. Therefore, you are creative. And what you're doing in business, business is creating the whole time. So, you know, that's just proof, isn't it, that anybody who's here listening right now, you know, whether you think that you're creative or not, you actually have that ability within you.
Jessica Osborn:
And Nina's beautifully shared so many aspects to that.
Nina Worsley:
Yeah. I think that people need to redefine what creativity looks like, because people automatically go to painter or singer or. Or dancer, whatever it is. But if you've ever found a solution to a problem, you have creative energy. If you've ever learned a new skill, you have creative energy. If you mathematicians have creative energy. It's everything. Because it's problem solving.
Jessica Osborn:
Yes, exactly. And it's like, maybe look around and think in your life, well, what are the evidence that you are creative? Maybe you like to cook. Well, I don't know anybody who cooks who is not creative. You're literally creating food. You're using ingredients and you're creating something amazing. Maybe you like decorating your house, or, I don't know, maybe you love the garden. There are so many things that you might even not consider to be creative, but they are. So, yeah, I think that's such an important thing to kind of really Land on there and to help, even just start believing that this is possible for you, because it is possible, right? For anyone.
Jessica Osborn:
Like, you know, I love that message that you have that it's always within you. It's just a matter of being able to unlock it and actually step into it. And it's going to give you that confidence. Do you have any final tips or something that you wish that you'd known sooner, that you'd like to share or maybe you wanted to say something that's like. To the person who thinks that they're not creative and they're a completely lost cause, Anything that you think is a final piece?
Nina Worsley:
Yeah, I think that what I would say most of all is that is to encourage people to look more into who they are. Because a lot of the times, people who don't think that they're creative, and this isn't everybody, but a lot of the times there are other ways, there are other parts of their life that they're not fully showing up for. And there's, you know, maybe they're, you know, I think about. You're talking about your kids. I think about a lot of teenagers today who have this sort of. It's always. I think that every generation has this phase where it's always cool to be, like, apathetic and, like, indifferent to everything, but that bleeds into the rest of your life. And if you're.
Nina Worsley:
You're not thinking that you're creative, then it could just be that you haven't found yourself yet and the. And the avenue that you're meant to be creative in. So I think that it's really, really important to just say, like, just say, who am I? You know?
Jessica Osborn:
Yeah, Yeah, I love that. And, like, what, you know, what are you interested in? Like, imagine even just sort of being, like, having that moment of, like, what is your thing that. That really makes you feel inspired? That's exciting. You know, it might be something as simple as cooking. Maybe you just like to cook. And that's awesome. And I guess even thinking about that means that you're not apathetic about everything, right? You have something that' like, this is your thing. That's so cool.
Jessica Osborn:
Love that. And, yeah, I'm gonna hold on to that piece of advice. When my kids hit their teenage years, deciding that, you know, everything's rubbish in the world and they aren't interested in anything, hopefully we can keep them interested and creating. That's amazing. Nina, can you let us know if people want to connect with you, learn a bit more about you and and follow along. Where can we best find you?
Nina Worsley:
Yeah, so best is to connect me on Instagram. Composed by Nina. And all my links are also there as well.
Jessica Osborn:
Amazing. We'll hook that up in the show notes so people can jump on over connect with you on Instagram. If you're listening to this episode now, why not take a screenshot of it and and post it on your stories and tag us? Because we both love to hear from you. If there was something that just really stood out to you today in our conversation, maybe it's going to help you to reconnect to that creative side. We would both love to hear it. So please do that. Thank you so much, Nina. It's been a real pleasure having you here on the podcast today.
Jessica Osborn:
Thank you so much.
Nina Worsley:
I love being here.
